sci.physics.relativity

On Sep 8, 8:53 am, "meda" wrote:

> > > But depends on the criteria (ie. conditions) one sets.
> > > Specify a catalog of criteria, and we can analyse them.
>
> > I do not understand the above two lines could you please explain?
>
> I mean you need to define and agree upon with others
> about the meaning of absolute rest frame and absolute time.
> It seems to me that you are rather seeking the "aether", right?
> IMO the absolute rest frame is where gravity-free space is (ie. g~0).
> For me this is existent, of course also it's time, ie. the absolute time.
> But this is IMO not what you seek, do you?
> And, your proposed experiment is intended to be done on Earth,
> ie. in a gravitation field. This place is of course far from free space.
> You see, you first need to define exactly what you are after.
> Do you mean the "aether" or do you mean the absolute rest frame
> as described above? Or what is *your* definition of absolute rest frame?

I am not searching gravity free frame. It is beyond my visualization.

What I understand/ feel is time dilation is an absolute phenomenon.
Different time dilation factor in different inertial frames. There is
a single inertial frame where time dilation is minimum. I say that is
absolute rest frame I also feel it is eather. I am trying to device
some experiment to detect the frame.

> > Please consider the experimet and bz's comment. Do you agree with me
> > that the count of particles will differ?
>
> Hmm... Sorry to say this, but I think you will get a negative result.
> But: for me "aether" exists! :-) I guess you are confused now :-)
> Look:
> I don't like the word "aether" but we can say "aether" is simply the space.
> It is the space everywhere. And since space usually has the same
> properties around any perfect spherical celestial object then
> there will be no difference in any direction.
> Ie. you will get a negative result with such an experiment,
> much like the negative result of the MMX.
>
> To all aetherists:
> Just answer this question:
> Why do you think should the aether be different in one direction
> than the other direction?
> I don't see any reason why it should be different.
> Ergo: aether is uniform, ie. it has the same properties in all directions.
> Ergo: aether is equal to space, ie. it is the space itself.
> Ergo: forget aether, as it is the space itself, which is uniform,
> therefore no directional difference can be detected,
> because such a directional difference is non-existent with space.
>
> Are you still not convinced? :-)
>
I am not looking for eather or directional behaviour of eather. I want
to find an inertial frame experimentally where time dilation is
minimum/nill.

I also feel since the earth is 'moving' the time dilates more in
earth. It should be detectable. I am trying to device an experiment
for that.

If we say something we have to prove it experimentally. Do you have
any experiments in mind?
Amuthan.